Daffy34 Honestly the tutorials here (link at top of the page) an at dozens of sites (like the top 15 at the bottom of the side column here) far outstrip not only the original manual, but also the Poser 4 Handbook, and, indeed the original capabilities of the program! (Thanks to the updates to poser compliments of the good folks at Curious Labs) By all means, post any questions you have here, & in the Poser Technical forum here, but you'll learn so much faster from some of the tuts. BTW, here's a screencap to go with my remark above about Dina's complexity.