Best answer yet. Thanks. I wasn't bashing DS being free, just stating it was a business model. You're right that making it free spares money for content rather than on upgrading the core software. You're also right that the Poser community is fractured with so many still using Poser 7. I started with Poser. I use Carrara and occasionally Blender. It is what I am familiar with. I CHOOSE to buy the upgrades rather than learn Daz Studio because (at least until 4.8) the renders didn't impress me. At least, not better than what I could already achieve with what I had. Could Poser integrate with other stuff better? Absolutely. Would I like native support for an unbiased renderer? Absolutely, especially if it supports instancing, but NOT if I also have to fork out for a new graphics card. At least not yet. I had my car stolen twice in a month; not much left of it, so my money is going elsewhere for at least a year.

Poser isn't perfect, but I understand it. Carrara could use some love too (I think it's a much better product than Studio), but not going to happen. It's going to take a lot more than IRAY to get me to change. Anyway, I'm signing off this thread. Enjoy your DSing!