also wanted to add -

after reading through several threads, this one included, and listening to all the back & forth of who is right, who is wrong [and i mean relative to any number of threads], it occurs to me that at least on some emotional level that folks who are trying to foist their will, their perspectives, etc. onto others may be in some way attempting to exert some type/form of bondage/enslavement/censorship and that that Shibari pack is quite symbolic...

and it could be used in an image to depict symbolic dessension

and i like symbolism along side my like of creepy stuff, abstract stuff, horror stuff, sci-fi stuff, fantasy stuff, et. al.