Ah, you're a step ahead of me. I hadn't read that. I would say that the export and render capabilities would play a bit part in the making or breaking of a 3D modeler these days , but I suppose with Discreets reputation they don't have to worry too much about small issues like that. Especially with MS as a new partner. ;o) Well I'll give it a shot and see how she works anyway. lol Regards, mithrandir2K