@Morkonan: I'm well aware that the usenet groups are still in existence, but have my doubts about some of them, specifically those I quoted.  I would have many doubts that "The Nose" or "The Flonk" are much different, and alt.hackers.malicious is more than likely still a place few here would want to visit.  Those supposedly serious groups I used to frequent have been taken over by people that see everything as a political platform on with to spew garbage in truckloads, thrown with trebuchet.  It's somewhat a shame, only a few that consistently crosspost into political groups dragged the idiots into rec.crafts.metalworking because their positions as "guru" were rapidly eroded.  Then others went into the porn groups and dragged more crap in, I won't even bother to try to read that group anymore.  A couple of others that I once posted into, not worth it, the group isn't interested in general discussions, just on discussing one or two aspects of the activity.  And anything outside that, forget it, they don't want to hear it, they'll fill a thread with crap just to see serious discussion of other topics, although related, are buried in purest extract of male bovine excrement.

Doric

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