I think some of you misunderstood completely.. I am not trampling all over DS or DS users. Nowhere in my post did I even mention DS! My POINT was that the Daz site had a makeover not too long ago, that many users, including me, was very unhappy with, and I still am. But THIS site is now so bad that the Daz site looks appealing in comparison. (And no, the 'new' Daz site is NOT a good design.) And obviously, if there were indeed any 'moles' from Daz working for Rendo they would obviously do their best to make it as bad as possible, so people would flee in droves, which they are.