Whine to your heart's desire Steve, the squeaky wheel gets the oil. It's been a long time since I first looked at the Atmosphere article and link to Adobe, but from what I can remember it seemed kind of vague at the time and I got the impression that it was something that hadn't really been released yet. It registered kind of low on my radar if you know what I mean. I may be completely wrong but perhaps if other Posers had the same impression at the time, that may be why they haven't jumped in. As the say here in Norway some times you've got to bang away at the big drums. I haven't noticed it being mentioned in any of the forums so perhaps a gentle push in the communities will get it going. I'll be getting PPP for X-mas so I'll be sure to check it out. Dave