EldritchCellar posted at 2:01PM Fri, 23 October 2015 - #4232265

Betcha Dinoraul makes pretty decent coin with his Poser figures, fitting room not required, dson not required. Hell they even work in star trek renders with Poser 4 workflow. Lol. Artists like him probably sit back and laugh at the commentary of these ping pong matches. Strictly inna box, for all concerned players. Like horses chasing a carrot on a stick.

DinoRaul has no problem with this kind of issue because he niched out his product to NOT rely on Poser/DS FIGURES at all. Trees, animals, dinosaurs, landscapes and creatures that can work in most environments as STAND ALONEs. But can they? I am not sure if all his offerings are compatible with D/S. Does anyone here know for sure? I have a few of his figures for Poser and they are wonderful. I think he has migrated to DAZ and is offering a few items there but not sure for which environment they are for. One of the problems I am having is accepting that the vendors are creating really NICE looking stuff for D/S Genesis figures they did not also offer for Poser users. I am not talking about the GENESIS figures as much as but additional support stuff like sets, environments, tools accessories and hair products. For example I just saw a product at DAZ called something like 2 Creeks or 2 Streams. Great little nature set which I just can't get enough of because there are so damn few out there that are really nice. So when I see one I gotta have it. When I see there is no option for Poser....AT ALL!.... I get frustrated. Not as if anyone else is offering similar REALLY NICE similar options for Poser users ANYMORE, right? So, my question is, as a "Don't know sheitz about modeling myself" kinda person, what would it take for a vendor of similar products that need absolutely NO connection with the complex issues of blend zones and mesh configurations and all that necessary knowledge in making product for HUMANOID/ANIMAL figures, to also in the process of creating a set of said kind to ALSO offer a version that works natively in Poser?

THE DSON sheitz sucks creepy dung bucket. I just spent three days getting someone at DAZ to walk me through the whole long dragged out, complex process of converting a DAZ hair product sold as a product I could use that DSON thing to work in Poser, that i purchased last year and only recently find out I can't. I was pissed we could not get anything to work. I got my apology from tech suppor/sales but asking if i could get credit for the product was denied. I am stuck with a product I purchased in good faith believing they had gotten their sheitz together on this whole DSON conversion thing when a year later i see it is NOT the case. I can see not wanting to refund or credit the price of the product if i was just NOT happy with it for any other reason. But not happy with the fact I CAN NOT CONVERT it as promised because their conversion product, ONLY AVAILABLE THERE, doesn't work just blows my mind. It shouldn't matter if is 30 days or a year later, It was purchased in good faith based on a promotional promise in writing on their product page which does not hold p to practice.

I can see if the only reason I go to DAZ is to complain in the forums or to get all their free stuff (which is less and less usable for me and other poser users as time goes by). They have held my credit card hostage (and happily so) since DAZ shot off from Zygote to feed us, the hungry Poser masses who put them on the map....we must remember. I ALWAYS felt DAZ offered great product and great service and rarely asked for a refund or credit on a product for reason of it not working. But this week I now feel otherwise. and of late that feeling has worsened. I don't know about you all but I don't use all the products i purchase within the required 30 days. Some products i purchase on sale when released as offered at a lower price and archive it for use when needed....sometimes years later.

For example, I have almost ALL the Mil3 figures and NEVER got to use them having gone from the well made and long used MIl2 figures to the Mil4 set when I finally migrated from Poser 4 to Poser 7 and PoserPro 2014. I have sets and environments I have yet to use also installing them as needed. Only yesterday I needed the DAZ eagle I purchased when it was first released a LOOOONG time ago and was frustrated the resource forks were gone from constant migration from computer to computer, OS to OS. I was pretty frustrated having to convert .pict and .BUM files fro old Poser days to .jpg files for PP2014 and no longer having the old MAT files to change textures for it I had to add the new converted textures by hand and save the character off to my Runtime again to get new links for the textures. Not being a power user or able to rescript the MAT files I had to do it the LOOOOONG way. Shudering at tha tprocess I thought of just re-loading the product from my purchase history. Right!?

I tried downloading a fresh copy of the old Eagle to get all the stuff i needed and got even angrier when I realized my order history only goes back so far and that purchase along with hundreds of others was made BEFORE the order history was created. DAZ support did go back to find the analog orders but they did not go back far enough to ZYGOTE archives to help me. Had I not been a long time customer of thousands of dollars spent there and showed them my upgrade for the Eagle2 from Eagle 1 and the Expansion breed Pak for Eagle 1 in my history I would have been SOL and either been sent packing or forced to buy everything I needed AGAIN. As it turned out i got a credit for the Eagle 1and the expansion pak and used that money to get the Eagle 2 expansion pak and reloaded the Eagle 2 which I got as an upgrade from Eagle 1. Freaking Mess. By the time I was done with all that I lost my desire to do the render. Did some shots and went to bed! :(

I will not go to D/S and Genesis figures and I will not buy any more figures at all because I have WAAAAAAY to much invested in the older ones. Not a Power Poser user much of what poser has available to those who can wrap their creative/technical brains around its functions, I don't know how to do all the more advanced optional things mentioned here like re-purposing clothes from one figure to another, the cloth room, the hair room, the magnets and morph tools, etc.. If it isn't available to use out of the box won't do it. I have not been able to totally accept the notion of the forced obsolescence in working with this technology. We either suck it up and learn to tolerate for the sake of continuing our picture thing, or we leave the whole darn frustrating and expensive thing behind (which I am more and more migrating toward) and find another hobby like bird watching or squirrel feeding in the park. Sorry for the rant.....dinner time!