randym77 posted at 9:59PM Wed, 18 November 2015 - #4239440

Razor42 posted at 10:45PM Wed, 18 November 2015 - #4239436

Hmm, can I please direct you to have a look here.

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/www.renderosity.com

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/www.runtimedna.com

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/www.smithmicro.com

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/www.contentparadise.com

Compared with:

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/www.daz3d.com

It seems you're relying on intuition and past experience to draw your conclusions. I know statistics are not absolute but this is just one indicator among many of a trend in the market.

I don't think that means anything. Well, it does to content creators, and to DAZ, but not necessarily to SM.

Poser is supposed to be a complete package, and I suspect most users do not buy content for it. They just use what comes with it. SM doesn't care if they buy content or not, because their profit is from selling the software, not the content.

And if you're doing a workplace safety video, or instructions for a Wal-Mart checkout, or a medical diagram...what do you need to buy? The clothing, hair, etc. that comes with Poser is enough. (I've noticed a lot of the Poser guys are bald in these productions. Hair is still a pain, after all these years.)

Indeed. The site statistics show that there are a lot of users. But how many of them are like the members posting in this very thread? I guarantee that very few users who log in to Daz3d or Renderosity buy content every single time they visit. Many of those visits are gallery and forum posts, and people complaining that their coupon only gave them a 70 cent rather than an 85 cent discount.

But consider a corporate or educational environment in which software may be purchased for 50 workstations -- without anyone ever actually visiting the Smith Micro website.

Site visits don't tell us anything about how Poser itself is selling. But I agree that they may be a decent indication of how third party Poser content is selling among those who rely on mass marketplaces to get customers (which, as AS points out, doesn't cover every Poser content creator, by far).

In any case, I still don't get why Daz users who neither use Poser, nor help Poser users get Genesis 1 or 2 working are even posting in this forum. As I said somewhere else, I get why correcting inaccuracies is important, but this thread is almost entirely speculation based on opinion. Why on earth would a Daz user care about that? Is the Daz forum here not active enough? Don't you have some renders in Iray to do? Surely you didn't buy all that Genesis 3 stuff just so you could bash Smith Micro in the Poser forum.

Edit: As for Poser users who want to use Genesis 3, I guess we'll have a repeat of the same bloody argument with every single new generation of Daz figures and every single new Poser release.

Or we could ask ourselves whether Poser native plus Genesis 1 and 2, which do work (to varying degrees, depending on how much work you want to do) and can even work natively in Poser without the DSON importer, aren't, in fact, sufficient for our actual needs. I'm fairly sure that a Python script could be written to make the process only take a few clicks -- for those willing to export assets out of DS. But would anyone buy it when the addiction to front page content is so enormous?

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