hi all... yes its been a long time. Bryce and Hex do seem to be left lying in the dust... but, contrary to what was said above...both run in windows 8.1 64 bit...I run them routinely (along with carrara). I long ago stopped posting stuff and regularly visiting the site, but I do still like to stick my nose in here once in a while to see some old faces. Phil (staigermanus!) long time my friend...hope you are doing well!... cheers all!