This is the cold hard simple fact coming from a veteran. People get killed war. Civilians get killed in war. Some people here are running on idealism rather than hardcore facts. War is not a good or an evil, it is a resolution. In WWI & WWII, the Military forces not only bombed the military targets, but also the civilian targets. It was civilians who were working in the factories that built the weapons. It was civilians that worked at the docks and warehouses that were major supply depots that supplied the military with rations. Supply and support is the backbone of any military and to take that away is to cut the legs from under an aggressor. A SAM site without missles is nothing but a pickup truck. An army without food is an army too fatigued to fight. Taking out the support is the quickest way to victory and the least costly to lives but that means taking out the civilians whom are more often working in such areas. That is war. Now we are not talking about a bunch of people whom play by the rules either. We are talking about people whom are so determined to kill any american or british or european that they will send their own children out with bombs in their pants. That is how determined these people are. We have seen it before in Vietnam and Somalia. And for those of you whom don't know, the marines had standing orders to kill anyone whom came near their designated areas. Many children got killed because they ignored all warnings to halt. Such things go on everyday and a soldier do not have the luxury of ethics to lean on especially when he is the one underfire and risking is life for something greater than himself which is much more that I can say for some musician who probably was a high school dropout and knows nothing about events of the day yet yells the loudest against a military doing what a military is supposed to do. You can be as idealistic as you want, but remember, (those of you in the United States!) The freedoms you have were paid for by a soldier's blood. Most people don't have a clue what war is all about and why civilian targets are often so much more significant that military targets. Whether you like it or not, whether you are a Jehovah's Wittness or the most hardcore christian, you are part of this battle. Because if you pay the taxes that fund the military that kills the enemy. You are too supporting the forces that aggress the enemy. It tell you what, the enemy does not care about your belief or whether or not you are fighting for him. All he see is "Westerner!" Also as for the comments against Islam. I am too shaken by events of the day. I have always been for tighter immigration. I got big time flamed on this forum because of my views on Elian or whatever his name was. These people were sleepers. How can I look at a muslim person the same again. You tell my how I can look at any muslim person and say, well he is absolutely innocent. I will always question in my mind where thier loyalties are. Here in the U.K there are protestors standing outside of the gate with pickett signs that say war is wrong. I don't say anything to them because they have a right to be there. That is what I believe. But while I was jogging one day I was stopped on the street by one of them. I asked them this: Why don't you go over there and pickett at the border of their countries for striking this mighty blow. It was just as I thought. He bounced around the answer. On the other hand, America is not an angel either. We have profitted from destablization in that region many times. And for those of you whom don't know, we have been the ones to destablize the region on more than one event. So no claim to holy fame here. Welcome to the world of international affairs.