Well, about the Viewsize in Bryce... you can adjust it under the properties of the document (one of the first menue items in the file menue) The quality of the renderer... its a question of taste I guess. Personally I like the "painting look" of the vue renderer, and I love the ability to import Poser Files directly without tweaking and reloading Textures. I used both (not as a pro) but I think the way you manipulate your materials in Vue 4 is much more intuitive for me than the one in Bryce4. But if I look at pictures here, you can do great great images with both apps:) Phil