Laurie sent me a great texture which will be ready for download at the site by Wednesday. I will redo the picture of the sleigh though cause I can hardly stand it. But you are right Ms Outlaw, some people can do other things better and that is what makes Renderosity so great, everybody sharing to get the best possible results....I love that...and to my fellow Canadian, Happy Thanksgiving, my aunt, from upper Quebec called me lastnight and told me you all had snow, I really love this time of year. Thanks again for all your support, Mike a I appreciate your kindness. PS: Can't thank you enough Laurie