Male_M3dia posted at 9:34AM Sun, 10 January 2016 - #4248260

CrystalGames posted at 7:53AM Sun, 10 January 2016 - #4248106

I'm truly confused, honestly.

Now, I use the Hivewire figures along with others not DAZ. But the HW family is my typical GoTo figure. And, I'm lost why anyone thinks that Hivewire has to be the one producing the content.

Frankly, I have purchased my fair share at HW. But, I have lovely products for the HW family purchased at other stores, too. Quality is quality, no matter the store logo.

Maybe I just don't get it, but where did this logic that HW has to be all/do all before anyone else jumps on board come from? That's just dumb, if you ask me. I want variety. I want multiple artist input. I don't WANT everything done by one person/store/vendor.

The bottom line is simple. Vendors who box themselves into DAZ only figures (including V4) are limiting their customer base. Don't come crying when your customers go elsewhere. You've made yourself clear that you don't want our business, so we found others who do. That's how the free market works.

It's interesting how when it comes to 3D content, everyone simply forgets about economics and supply and demand. If the market shifted to favor another product, what pull does the now smaller group have to vendors that have to get their bills paid? Vendors aren't limiting themselves, they're following the market.. and some have held out longer than others, because that's how the free market works.

To put it another way, it's like motorola flip phone users saying that iphone developers are limiting their customer developer base by not making applications for their flip phones. If the market shifted and you're still holding on to the notion that motorola flip phones are a viable development platform simply because you hate Apple for no other reason but to hate Apple, then it wouldn't make sense why there there's a downturn in V4 products, Hivewire is making most of their own stuff, and all this genesis items are popping up in the store. Brand loyalty doesn't mean much when those users aren't buying or the products offered are nowhere near as good as what the market is shifting too. People beyond the forums are looking for their money's worth, because simply, it's their money they're putting down for product.

And as 3D-Arena pointed out, there's already been a survey that was sent out last year... and I believe it pretty must spelled out to the vendors that the shift was heading towards more DS material and Genesis content. If they put another survey, I think the OP may not be happy with the results because the market shifted even more that direction since Genesis 3/V7/Iray came out and more users tossed Poser for it. Only way to turn around that momentum is by having figures for Poser that are comparable in features and looks and software that has the same features and ease of use as what vendors are using to make the products people in this thread are complaining about. And the customers that are buying this new content are in control of that... not vendors (who supply what is being demanded by the majority of paying customers) or forum users wanting vendors to actually lose money by supporting figures that have failed in the market or simply aren't very good. And the last point is really what these thread users want vendors to do and really, that's not going to happen.

Just a lot of words - none of which addressed my post.

Moving on.