hornet3d posted at 7:13AM Mon, 11 January 2016 - #4248334

Male_M3dia posted at 9:47PM Sun, 10 January 2016 - #4248332

hornet3d posted at 4:27PM Sun, 10 January 2016 - #4248331

I would not be at all surprised if there is a downturn in the number of products being purchased here for Dawn, and thus an apparent lack of incentive for vendors to produce such and so the spiral down continues. I doubt however this has much to do with Dawn and a lot more to do with Rendo.

Actually rendo threw their full weight behind Dawn as well as many vendors, so your statement isn't accurate. Dawn had 3 sites' support, only thing it didn't have was the customer support which is why vendor support now is what it is. I'm not sure why people would blame rendo for customers not buying full stores full of Dawn content, the simple fact is she didn't sell and vendors lost money.

And really forums aren't money makers, the store is. Rendo could take their forums down, and it would have no effect on what's being sold. But if you take the stores down, the forum wouldn't last that long before someone starts asking for donations.

You could be right but it might depend on the time frame. I did not support Dawn very much when the figure was first released but I have seen supporting Dawn SE since launch as that is a very different prospect to the original Dawn.

It doesn't matter when you started, at release is when all the products were released and bombed, and the vendors either went back to V4 or moved to genesis. A good chunk of those products are either in the clearance bin or gone from the store not to be picked up by vendors. So stepping in after the fact doesn't mean Dawn will be picked up like it was in the beginning. She's done as far as vendors concerned, with the occasional hair fit or outfit by a new vendor. You're being optimistic if you think Dawn will be more than she is now.

I also stated a time frame, for me at least it was last September when I finally gave up on the market place here. It is clear from the Prime forum that the changes to Prime were not well liked and many either stopped or reduced their spending. They also played with the galleries here and some people have deleted their entire galleries, me included. If I was spending here I would be buying whatever dawn products were available so they are Dawn sales lost.

Prime may have some effect on some sales, but galleries or forum issues doesn't make a bit of difference. As I said, those make no money and most people that deleted galleries seem to not make many purchases but spent time using forum bandwidth, so that's not going to affect their bottom line at all. I let my Prime expire, but not over pricing changes, I just never found many products to buy worth the yearly expense. Doesn't mean I stopped shopping though.

I am not saying for a minute that Dawn sales would match Genesis 1,2 and 3 sales, just that I do not feel that the figure is the lost cause that many make out. I also feel that Dawn is here for the long run which is not true of all figures. Not having a lot of products does have one benefit and that is the products are not scrapped if they do not sell in three months, allowing people to save up. OK the vendor might take longer to make money but the possibility is there.

And that goes to what was said earlier about Hivewire making most of their own products. Yes the owners are in it for the long run, because they have the resources to burn; however vendors don't, so that's why the major vendors that were there in the beginning have moved on because they weren't getting the return on investment. Simple supply and demand again.

It is not just a Dawn thing though, I don't use it but I have nothing against Genesis 3, only if I was spending money on that figure I would be spending my money over at Daz. I haven't purchased any but the products there are clearly either better presented or of much higher quality.

Even though I don't buy Genesis stuff I have now started buying at Daz again after a long break, even today I spent the best part of $100 thanks items being on sale at 70-80%. A much better deal for me than my Prime membership here.

I guess what I am saying is just because dawn products did not sale on day one does not mean they would not today and that Rendo is not a good site to judge market trends, too much else is going on here for it to produce a valid conclusion. I even suspect they are losing a lot of Genesis 3 sales, and that has noting to do with Genesis anymore than it has to do with Dawn.

And you would be incorrect on that statement. When multiple vendors tell you what is selling or not, which many have done over the last few months (here and other sites as well), you listen because they have the sales and trends to back their statements. Non-sellers simply don't and shouldn't really try to contradict that with non-backed speculation. A lot of the things that are happening today are the direct result of software companies not listening to the needs of vendors and relying on customer speculation for their info... then customers wonder why the market is the way it is. It shouldn't be a surprise.