bb, I am sending the list on e-bots to the admins today ... I believe this is happening to everyone and it is a major issue. I'm behind you 100%.

As for the lighting. I've been lead to believe that non mesh lights (or area lights as well) would not create realistic "AO" effects and therefore was avoiding them and trying to come up with alternatives. That was my primary aversion to Poser's traditional light system. I will revisit your tutorial and get the "real" story.

Boni

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