I dunno Sharen...so many things happened that I got lost when I was doing three images for the DAZ3d contest. All I remember was that I took "Headache" pain killer tablets. I know that the Material Editor is still not perfect and this depend on what you are working on...it can be the model, it can be the format of the file you import...etc. In Win2K, it sort of quit on you with Bill Gate telling you that Win2K encounter a blahhh..blahh.. I encounter funny things like, for example, if you give a basic colour the first time to an imported poser file (say you wanna change the texture), you would see the model does not change to the basic colour you just applied and have to repeat the second time, which usually works. Its good that if we know exactly or can simulate the effect before giving it to e-on, otherwise, it may be just our system or other stuff we have running that is disturbing Vue 4.02.