ssgbryan posted at 7:51AM Mon, 18 January 2016 - #4249310

Gator762 posted at 11:11AM Fri, 15 January 2016 - #4249279

RPublishing posted at 10:56AM Fri, 15 January 2016 - #4247573

I actually appreciate hearing from buyers what they would like to see in the Marketplace. And, I hope we can all have a civil conversation about this. It's important to me as a vendor to know what buyers want, and I'm not offended by it, even if some might think it seems like flame baiting. It seems that it's an important issue for buyers, too. So, I'd love all the feedback you will give me (even if it is sent via SiteMail). 'Poser products' is a little bit vague can you be more specific of what products you would like to see for Poser? What figures do you use? Are you wanting props, scenes, clothing, hair, shoes?

From a vendor perspective, I can say that many of our last V4 clothing items didn't sell very well, and we have many of our regular, loyal buyers asking for G2 & G3 clothing and hair. So, we have a few G3 items, but have tried to stick more to the Gen2 figures so that even Poser users can use them with the DSON poser compatible files (that we've been providing). Personally, I'd love to develop more just Poser products. It's faster and easier for us, but it feels too much like wasting our time because they don't sell.

Try to get this back on track.

Interesting to hear your input. I'll throw in my $.02, I'm just a hobbyist but I've spent a lot over here at Renderosity.

The Ever looming DAZ-Poser split seems to likely be the biggest factor, IMHO. Genesis 2 has finally been out for a few years now with a lot more products available for it, and seems to be picking up momentum with the free DAZ Studio and the fact that there isn't native support in Poser. Now with Genesis 3 and Iray they are picking up even more momentum.

Clothes fitting is always an issue in Poser and I feel like I'm not alone here. The morph brush is good, but not perfect as it mashes the geometry of the clothing. DAZ lacks the morphing brush, but from what I've gleaned from other artists & hobbyists the fitting is much better out of the gate. IMHO, clothing vendors for V4 would go a long ways toward including Perfect V4.2 into clothing, if possible or two versions. Who is still rendering V4 any more without that or similar mesh fixes?

I feel like I'm at a fork in the road. I like Poser, but Victoria 7 is very appealing. Unfortunately I'm pretty well vested in Poser owning Pro 2014 and the Octane plugin, not to mention a ton of V4 & Poser content. I actually downloaded Studio 4.8 yesterday, and about to pick up V7. I'm wondering if I try switching to Iray, or get the Octane plugin for DAZ. So really two forks for me, go to DAZ? If so, I'm sure I'll keep Poser & Octane for V4 renders. Going with DAZ, go with Octane or Iray? Iray won't be free either with all the shaders to buy.

Lastly, not to make this sound personal, but I feel really burned by the Prime change. So much, in fact I don't think I've purchased a single thing at Renderosity since the change. It made me realize just how much I already have in my library anyways that I haven't gotten around to. I've bought some things over at the other places, and will probably pick up that other premium membership too.

It's not personal, it's bad business on their part - I noticed the only post made in over a week in the Prime forum was someone asking how to cancel their membership. Prime as we knew it is dead. I suspect that it will go away by next July, because there aren't going to be much in the way of renewals.

In Poser, we do have other figures to choose from than just V4. I have yet to see what g3f adds to the table other than a fat chick myself. There certainly isn't much in the way of character variety (or volume). It's still the same generic early 20's Northern Caucasians. A fair bit of the clothing is just recycled V4 (or earlier, in the case of shoes) content.

Good luck with DS - do understand the hidden costs (the cost of the clones isn't cheap & all of the other products you will probably need to get the most out of DS isn't cheap either). What is your plan vis-a-vis the upcoming DS encryption of content?

Personally, I couldn't go back to a Poser 4 workflow myself. Later versions of Poser have allowed me to decouple clothing from figures, which really ups the value of my content.

AFA clothing - the fitting room is like everything else, you do need to use with it to become proficient (And I would highly, highly recommend Lyrra's Fit room magnets for Dawn & Pauline - makes clothing conversion a 30 second process). DS isn't much better with autofit from what I have seen (although I will admit I haven't spent the time to become proficient with it - If DAZ doesn't want to document it, I don't feel a need to spend time figuring out the program - I don't grok the interface.)

I disagree with adding Perfect V4 morphs to clothing, that is what the Copy Morphs From command is for. You are proposing to make the clothing heavier, memory wise. It is more efficient to chuck all of those figure morphs from the clothing and use Copy Morphs From command, along with the Dials to Single Morph command to shrink the memory size of a figure even more.

A lot of us that still use V4 use the WM version, which pretty much eliminates the need for all of those fix products (unless you are doing renders of yoga poses).

Hidden costs? Well I have just started playing with DS 4.8, I haven't tallied up the costs yet. So far, it seems fairly substantial for V7, G3 base is included, but then need V7, then morphs, facial morphs, V7 HD (personally). Then there is the cost of Iray vs Octane... Still not an easy decision, as Octane will run me about $160 for the plugin, Iray I'll probably buy some shaders. I'm familiar with Octane, and with what I'm seen provides a bit better results. But as my use with Poser means I'm re-doing textures for everything. If products come with good Iray out of the box that's less time spent. Not familiar with DS, so I don't know what other hidden costs there are.

I don't know about the DRM, I just started considering DS. It's not too much of a worry, as I buy everything of course. I do wonder about content from other sites like here and RDNA and how the DRM will effect it, and especially purchased content I customize myself - will DRM mess that up?

According to michelvanspeybroeck, a lot of V4 content can be converted. Which would be nice, I have a pretty big closet full of V4 content. A thread I started

Perhaps I have to go back to the fitting room and Copy Morphs From command? I've only tried them a few times, and I thought the results sucked. In the fitting room, the meshes would get butchered. I've found better results using adjustment morphs built into the clothes to get as close as I can, then the morph brush for the rest. The amount of time could vary there. I'm not sure I know about the correct procedure for copy morphs from command, it's been a while since I've tried it. Fitting clothes has been an annoyance I have often skipped them, heck I usually want the NSFW version anyways.