Anthony, Actually it is 50 (really 49) links. And it is tough to pose, but once you get the hang of it it works pretty well. But the CR2 is 1.7 MB. I tried the doing it with 5 segments but the chain looked distorted. The trick to posing this python is don't bend any one link too much. Give about 5deg of "favor" to the area you want to bend then turn on the IK and give it a big bend. I'm with you on the spline thing. I'd like to see meta do something where the charactors were based on NURBS meshes or some similar technique. That would eliminate things like Joint Crinkeling and make posing curved item much easier. While were at it how about "Gravituy" Nerd