Nerd, There is a way to prevent bending it too much from the creator's side. Use of limits in the .cr2. You can turn on limits for anything in the .cr2 and not have it dependent on whether or not the user has limits enabled. Even with 50 joints, its a fairly easy task. I did it with 65 joints and it works without a hitch. You need a text editor like EditPad to do it (because of its ability to open LARGE text files, which is what a .cr2 is). If you want more info on it, contact me via email or ICQ. -Rob