Morkonan posted at 1:21AM Mon, 08 February 2016 - #4244357

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But I must ask the question; If all V4 content can be refitted with the ease implied by the figure maker then what is the incentive for people to buy new Content made specifically for the figure??.

There are lots of bits of older content out there for V4. However, that older content doesn't take advantage of newer program features. (Materials are a big issue, old python scripts, etc.) And, honestly, some of the older V4 stuff could use some polishing. If one has enough of that content, once can actually "see" the advancement of a particular vendor's skills in action as their product quality increases.

there are several tshirt models available out there, available for V4, G2, G3, but if they'd want to make it for PE too, cool, but I'll tell them that I'm prepared to add some additional dynamic morphs for free if they're prepared to make it for PE. PE is all about versatility, and I'm prepated to provide for that, freely, as long as art takes central stage...

And its not all selfless contributions, business-wise it will help me boost my sales for PE... and help me buy nice beer :D

Plus - People still shout for new content for older figures. There's no reason to expect that they wouldn't shout for more content for a new figure, if that figure is well done and becomes popular.

Well, the image I hope to spread of PE is that this is a normal everyday (albeit super-good-looking) 20 year old. So I hope it will inspire vendors to want to cater for this girl by looking in fashion magazines, and making trendy everyday stuff for her!

Though, I don't think it will be a V4 killer, right off the bat. It's gonna take some time and a lot of support to be able to even approach that.

Nor do I expect it to be. Genesis is far more successful a V4 killer than any figure has been yet, but Genesis is a marketing machine, not really a device to doodle with. PE will hopefully be this device. What I also hope is that it will inspire people to think differently about figures and CG content art, that its about tinkering and tweaking, and not trends and allegiances... and that Poser will clock on that a good figure, with a personalized experience, makes a big difference and that versatility (and reliability!!) is the key. I hope it will inspire people to make more good figures and give artists many more facinating options.

DreaminGirl posted at 1:22AM Mon, 08 February 2016 - #4244359

Why do people buy clothes for the Genesis line when they can just refit their V4 clothing? Why should the reasons for PE be any different?

word.

Morkonan posted at 1:23AM Mon, 08 February 2016 - #4244404

DreaminGirl posted at 5:49PM Tue, 15 December 2015 - #4244359

Why do people buy clothes for the Genesis line when they can just refit their V4 clothing?

'Cause the product renders are better. :)

lol ain't that the truth!

chaecuna posted at 1:24AM Mon, 08 February 2016 - #4244482

Morkonan posted at 10:47AM Wed, 16 December 2015 - #4244404

'Cause the product renders are better. :)

This is the real reason: DAZ quality requirements for promo images are very high and strictly enforced. Even a simple cube rendered with those quality standards, would look better than the average product you see in other shops.

I shit you not, although I hate the idea, I am going to ask this of people that wanna make stuff for PE, even if I have to make the promos myself. it just works. its the very reason I was pissed off at SM when they presented Pauline for the first time... utterly lousy show of marketing! the better the marketing for poser content, the better for all of us in the end...

Biscuits posted at 1:24AM Mon, 08 February 2016 - #4244483

The main thing a new figure should do is,

Inspire to render with, tell stories with.

Inspire to make content for.

The more content available or recycleble the better.

Preview renders are super important, not to get the micromanagement-feedback of 1000 people and end up with a frankenstein character.

But to follow the progress and looking forward to the result.

So....thumbs up!

thanks bissy :D knuf!!!!

Dale B posted at 1:25AM Mon, 08 February 2016 - #4244486

Umm, I think people are so busy trotting out arguments that they missed the forest for the trees.

Ero is first and foremost making PE for -his own purposes-. Just as he did all the McGuyvering known as Lali's Bits for V4; it was for -his- comics. The impression I've gotten is that he's kind of gotten dragged into selling his non comic content. Or put another way, IMHO he doesn't give a rat's fuzzy ass about the 'vendor market' and all its nonsense and the self proclaimed pseudo experts proclamations. He isn't looking to be the next Davo or Stone Mason or anyone else. He isn't cackling maniacally over a modeling program, waiting for lightning to strike the kite flying on a copper wire to help create THE V4 KILLER.....!!!!!(add ramping reverb+echo). He's making a figure for his own creative needs, and is proving kind enough to actually share that with the rest of us.

Why does he keep bringing up V4? because like a lot of us, he has a lot of clothing for said mesh, and he would like to continue using it in his comic projects. Which makes sense when you think of things as resources, not fetish objects. The more existing resources can be used, the less interruption in workflow exists when moving to newer, more capable tech (face it kids, V4 is still Poser 4 tech with a big helping of community created kludges to make it halfway work right).

I'm more than happy to wait for him to get things right, and judge things on the actual result. Not on what so and so thinks or 'everybody knows'. Remember, everybody 'knew' that the world was flat, once. Ooops.

cheers for that Dale! I'm happy that people get where I'm coming from!

WandW posted at 1:25AM Mon, 08 February 2016 - #4244489

DreaminGirl posted at 7:22AM Wed, 16 December 2015 - #4244359

Why do people buy clothes for the Genesis line when they can just refit their V4 clothing? ...

Because there is no Morph Brush in DAZ Studio; conversions are usually good, but not perfect.

As far as PE goes, I'm looking forward to it because EG has a gift for sculpting faces and expressions....

thanks WandW! I hope it will all be pleasing to work with. I've been dying myself to get working with her. I've had to be abnormally patient to not blast on ahead with her. I wanted to get the rigging absolutely perfect before making morphs... ugh...!

ssgbryan posted at 1:26AM Mon, 08 February 2016 - #4244537

There is NO incentive not to rehash old content; the OBJ is already made, it just needs a little adjustment for a new figure - go look at clothing over on Daz. Some of the g3F products go all the way back to the V3/P6 Jessi era

The problem is that with most vendors, it is about their art, not ours. They only make what they are personally interested in. They work under the rubric of: If I make it, they will buy it.

Word. Hey if it works, and people buy it, I ain't complaining. How many times has the simple tshirt been redesigned in real life?

There is also the issue of vendor's aggressive unwillingness to learn any feature that has been added to Poser since Version 6. Look at materials - most vendors still make materials .pz2s (A hack for Poser 4. Hell, there are still vendors making .rsr files) and refuse to make .mc6 files - which, according to the 'Rosity vendor agreement, is a requirement.

In a similar vein, I actually had a vendor tell me that they didn't have time to learn the features in Poser 9 - while making their 1st product for Dawn (A figure that can only be used in Poser 9 or later).

lol! ok that's quite serious!

EldritchCellar posted at 1:27AM Mon, 08 February 2016 - #4244572

She's cute all right. I liked Lali too. I don't think I have any artistic use for anyone elses figures anymore though... other than as collectibles and specimens to be cut open and examined. Rendering isn't really my interest with Poser... so I'm probably in a very extreme minority. I'd be more inclined to fetishize a sublimely crafted ant or poodle moth. I liked those urban waif in sweater renders...

The next model I'll make is a big fat detailed poodle moth!!!! just for you lol!

cheers cellar!

Boni posted at 1:28AM Mon, 08 February 2016 - #4244913

Thank you for bringing this thread back on topic. We need to keep this a supportive forum.

cheers Boni! :)

Frequency posted at 1:28AM Mon, 08 February 2016 - #4244932

Well, in any case I like the look of her. She looks both pretty and natural. V4 killer or not, she definitely has potential. After seeing Erogenesis' recent work with Pauline I am definitely looking forward to this figure. And the community seems supportive enough. ;)

aye indeed they are! I hope PE will prove useful to them! many thanks guys!

rtamesis posted at 1:29AM Mon, 08 February 2016 - #4245620

erogenesis posted more renders of Project E at his deviant art website if you want to see his progress.

http://erogenesis-art.deviantart.com

thanks for your support and helping me with my PR dude hahaha!!

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