Diane, I've been watching Dina progress and I think she's the best female model for Poser I've seen so far.....I never cared for Vicky, her facial features are too sharp and masculine and her body isn't much of an improvement over the P4 female; also Vicky is over-priced...... I think Dina is priced much better, I like her body shape more, and it seems she poses without the joint problems of the other figures. Yes the shoulders are a little like a line backer, but that can be fixed, right? I plan to buy Dina in the very near future; I need a new PC though, I'm not sure how sluggish she would be on a 300MHz machine with 128MB RAM....... Cherry looks great, my only complaint would be that more free stuff for Dina would likely create greater interest... You're doing great work BTW...... Krel