There's no question that Poser and DS have their limitations. The thing is, I'm not wondering if there are better options for people who've learned to do more than change the color of a texture map in Photoshop. Given the niches both programs serve, is there still potential for vendors to serve the Poser hobbyist community? Have the two programs tried so hard to move into the broader 3D industry that they've lost the point-and-clickers altogether? I am reminded of other industries that at one time supported dozens of companies, but over time, saw the number of those companies dwindle as the bigger ones, the more successful ones bought out or pushed out the smaller ones. I'm starting to wonder if everything really began to change when Daz acquired Poser Pros...