I have Bryce 4, and like it, though I find it difficult working with textures and materials, and I've gotten quite used to the "standard" 4 viewport configuration. Haven't tried Bryce 5, except for the demo, and I was not impressed with it's speed, but I do know it's intentionally slowed down to discourage the crackers. I love Vue 4, mostly for it's ease of use, speed of use and rendering, and now, especially since it imports Poser PZ3 files, with textures, transparencies and bumps intact, without any need for manually loading textures. Since a PZ3 contains all the path info for textures (as opposed to a .OBJ's .MTL file), large scenes are a one-shot deal to load. Well, alot of people's Vue install won't recognize the Poser .BUM format, for some reason, while others' will... shrug I wouldn't knock Bryce at all though... it's like saying your Ford truck is better than your neighbor's Chevy truck from the same year. "Better", how?..... Certain things are better for certain people, and it all depends on what you want, and how you use it. I honestly believe that someone skilled in both softwares could make equally good images in either. It's essentially all in what you like. Besides, compared to 3DS Max 4, they both suck. ;)