moriador posted at 8:15AM Thu, 10 March 2016 - #4260161

Cybermonk posted at 9:51AM Thu, 03 March 2016 - #4258964

Being apart of this site is like a marriage if it's not working out then leave. Don't stay and hate the other person. Leave and be glad you don't have to deal with situation anymore. Or stay and work it out but what ever you don't make yourself miserable about shit you have no control over.

Maybe it's a marriage for some people. But seriously, for most people here?

For me, it's strictly a commercial relationship. And the forums are a diversion, an entertainment, and a source of information.

I don't see why I should "leave" unless the quality of the products from the specific vendors I support suddenly goes down, since that's my primary interest. As for "leaving" the forums, as long as I'm a customer and they are the primary way information about products is disseminated, I don't see how "leaving" serves me.

Finally, who on earth is "miserable" about Renderosity? Deeply dissatisfied, yes. But miserable? I think that's a huge exaggeration for most people. And it seems to suggest that the dissatisfied customers have some sort of unreasonable emotional response, putting the onus on them to change their expectations.

Simple fact is that Renderosity is a business, and its most vocal customers aren't happy. It's not a marriage, where both sides need to work at compromise. It's a commercial relationship, where the ALL of the burden to satisfy the customer is on the people GETTING THE MONEY, not the people GIVING it.

Edit: And if Rendo is getting plenty of sales from people who couldn't care less about the forums and galleries and so on, then they are fully within their right to basically ignore the "problems" there and work instead for the people who are actually paying their wages. If that's what's happening, it's okay with me. But as a customer, I'd appreciate just a tad more transparency. If the social parts of the site aren't a priority, say so. (Or at least, don't say that they are a priority because the cognitive dissonance breeds confusion and creates unmet expectations. In marketing parlance, in other words, "Don't promise what you can't -- or don't really want to -- deliver.")

As is so often the case I am in agreement with your comments. One point I would make though is that, if they are getting plenty of sales from those who could not care less about the galleries and the forums I wish they would just close the forums. In my view it is better not to do something than to do it badly.

The downside of all the TOS discussion, which I do understand, is that there seems to be great deal of focus on it when there are many other factors that need to be addressed. The forums at the moment are largely not informative, in the hobby sense, as they are being used to complain about the whole shopping experience not just the forums.

I will however admit that my buying habits are not just based upon commercial matters as I dislike shopping anywhere if I feel my custom is not valued, such as here, and that is clearly based more in emotion than logic.

 

 

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