EldritchCellar posted at 12:41PM Fri, 11 March 2016 - #4260344

I don't think that documentary photography can ever be truly objective, closure is interpreted differently depending on the viewer, and certainly not commercial/ product photography which 9 times out of 10 is concerned with aesthetics and manipulation.

Sorry, Darger is significantly different than your average point click 10 renders of v4 a week Poser/DS user. This is where I'm critical. No further explanation is necessary, regardless of appropriation...I'd say any comparisons are really reaching.

"in fact most functional object we use are not considered art if that 3 layered communication is absent. Generally Art is communication with functionality considered as irrelevant in most cases."

A few images. (I said I wouldn't do this, but it's to make a point).

Functional objects. You can hold and pour liquid from the pitcher. You can eat off the plate. Dinnerware is functional. These objects are dishwasher safe. ;)

A pitcher and a plate. 100% my own creation.

Is this art?

The three figure pitcher sold for $800, the plate for $400. Out of a real world fine art gallery, within days of being contracted to the gallery, noob rate. This isn't bragging but just a little context for my next statement. I recently posted these images to my cgbytes gallery. Guess how many comments I got as compared to, say, a nearby picture of a scantily clad vickie? Yup, zero. Quite a dichotomy between the two realms of art huh? Lol. I won't elaborate with my thoughts on this. Hope that answers your questions razor... glad some people kinda like my Poser/model stuff though. And yeah, I only use my own creations there now too. Not elitist. Just the truth.

actually they are nice. but to my thinking showing amateur poser user artists "high brow" art (lets face it bro, sculpture, ceramics, oil and water color painting, leather craft, metalurgy, wood sculpture, etc) have always been considered "High Brow") you may NEVER get a response let alone a positive one.

I used to do this sort of art....(actually ALL those I mentioned above but for reasons too much to discuss no longer can. But doesn't mean I can't appreciate. And as a Poser user, I am grossly limited by the technology. I ate technology because i can't wrap my head around it enough to get those ideas out of my frelling head is like trying to sculpt with my feet! It sucks the unholy one. I have come to the point am bored by it all. I spend hours spinning dials and NOT creating any finished images. I did more creative work (hell, award winning work at times, published and commissioned work occasionally) with Poser 4 and the early Mil2 figures than I seem to be able to complete usinf Poser 2014 Pro and now Poser 11!

Bottom line, Wolf, you know me, If I could create my own Poser Sheitz I would and would have NO NEED for anything new. Having no need for anything new or anyone else's stuff I would never venture here into these sites or forums.which from a greater view, is a waste of time.... I can't, as so many Poser users CAN'T. Poser was created mostly for amateurs who wanted to be artists, for painters who needed a quicker base image upon which to create their digital paintings rather than drawing it from scratch, or for video artists who needed a simple way of comping animatic motions and scene views to help set up visuals for more advanced apps or working film or imaging....you know that man!

It is a catch 22. If you create a figure believing if it is out there they will buy it. Wrong. Failure comes from that mind set ans so many have failed. The standard for creating and selling any new figure is hugely based on what is already out there. V$/M4 are the highest standards and having been out there for so long have developed a wonderful following and support network. They have been a standard from which all others are judged. It drives me crazy for instance, seeing SM produce figures that SUCK for use in in Poser. I am not just talking about human figures but animals, creatures, animals, clothes, props and architecture. You would think they would see the importance by way of MARKETING that developing higher standards for their creative offerings to be a prime objective. I hate buying stuff from them because it is off by much....textures, joints, proportions, everything. there are very few content creators there who actually are good t what they offer but apparently get so little support selling their goods they create/offer very little. On the other hand if a figure is created no one will get it because they argue, there is no support stuff for it.

I see wonderful fantasy figures i can not for the life of me convince the creator to launch a more aggressive marketing campaign to get support for. He (actually it is they because there are two such creators of similar figures out there) refuses yet will not create extra content for to get attention for the wonderful figure. It drives me crazy. I bought the figure from one of them seeing promise but because I can NOT create my own stuff for it,I am afloat without a paddle in getting more use out of it. DOA is the term I think of. Having felt burned I did NOT buy the similar figure from the other for the same reason: Stupid stubborn refusal to add support content for what would have been a nice fantasy figure. In my country it is referred to: as swallowing the donkey and choking on the tail! mentality. BLAH!!!

As mentioned DAZ does and has almost always maintained a higher standard for content creators and thus the reason I have allowed my credit card held captive there for so long. But now it is time to take it away from their control. They failed to remember about the huge poser user base upon which they have based their stupendous growth on. They create content now exclusively for their free flagship app. Business wise it is viable for them. But for "unable to create my own content" users we are depressed there is no more support for our software o choice: Poser. Where do we go to get it?

Here....for now. If I could wrap this useless head of mine around learning new stuff I would get their free D/S and use it. But I can't so I don't. Also, having spent THOUSANDS of dollars there since before they were DAZ...since the latter days of Zygote and the first content CD I bought for the P4 humans, I am spent out. They actually did me a favor with this whole stupid Genesis thing and the useless Downloader and their DSON Importer(32bit) they don't even know how to help me get to work on my 64 bit Mac! I have saved tons of money NOT investing on any more of their offerings. What frelling kills me is their insisting to only offer animals, non-genesis based creatures and sets and simple un-posable props for D/S with NO Further support for Poser. I may get away from using new figures but I love some of their environments and nature sets by creators that used to offer for both platforms now supporting only D/S. Despite the insistence of content creators there saying DAZ does not force them to do so I just am NOT buying it knowing the long established content standards they adhere to...nope NOT buying it....literally and figuratively.

For as long as I can find support stuff for my greatly invested in Mil 4 figures and now my last version of Poser (v11+) for my Mac I will continue as I have always been including whining about stuff I would love to have for this or that and hoping there are some more creative techies out there interested in creating content for my apps and figures of choice and shamelessly begging fhr help to get this or that as needed hoping there is someone listening and willing to help.