I'm getting closer, I can feel it... Next question: Is rendering in P11 with Genesis characters and items much slower? I had a V4 character and a G2 character (and G2 clothing) in the same in a Firefly indirect lighting render with modest quality settings and hours later it was still rendering - never made it past a few inches of Indirect Light calculations and ultimately it simply never rendered. I cancelled out, replaced G2 and his clothing with M4 and his clothing, and an hour later I had a compete render. Given the difference in time, I suspect it was not an issue of heavy textures. Any ideas?