Many thanks... I came up on the slow machines 8bit with just KB of ram.... but at work I had access to the real 3d Studio Release 4 dos only now that was an program I love my time with that you had to make everything you used....... If I remember right it was an XT machine but along came the 286 that was an dream machine renders only took 2 days and not 4 and 5 days those were good days Then the year rolled by my bad fall back of the head up like an apple Had to learn to walk and talk again now I have an fast computer but can not remember what happen yersterday