Male_M3dia posted at 1:14AM Fri, 17 June 2016 - #4272426

Mythocentric posted at 11:14PM Mon, 13 June 2016 - #4272403

If you are going to take a shot the usual advice is to take a deep breath and hold it before squeezing the trigger to ensure you don't go wide of the mark. Even then it's vital to make sure that you're aiming at the right target in the first place! In what way is SM responsible for Renderosity's failure to maintain the balance of products in it's marketplace?

It's a false assumption to assume that Rendo has any responsibility to maintain a balance of products. Rendo is a business providing product that is in demand. If there is more of a demand for DS products, then that's the market at work because customers demand those products. If the Poser items aren't selling, it's not up to rendo to add products that aren't selling or force vendors to make more poser products because that's what you're asking. That's not how business or the marketplace works. And that's because the poser products doesn't have the appeal as the DS items, thus you need to take that up with SM, not rendo, vendors or DAZ.

Vendors have been making products for Poser for a good number of years and still are. No complaint there.

So there shouldn't be an issue then. What is the purpose of your posting then?

To claim that Poser content isn't up to snuff is frankly ridiculous.

Not really, otherwise you wouldn't complain about the abundance of DS products.

and I can only assume that your view is that Poser users stick to SM's content and don't actually buy content and I am sure there are a number of vendors here at |Renderosity who would happily put you through the wringer for dismissing their products with such disparaging bias.

They wouldn't as they are beginning to either create DS products or make sure their products work in DS because that's were the sales are driving. The vendors themselves are saying that Poser users are buying less; I think that's the part you're not getting. Customer drive the market and vendors have to pay their bills.

It's already been pointed out that SM's own content output hasn't kept pace with the program but there many vendors who have worked very hard to address that failure and done so with great success.The problem as far as Renderosity is concerned is that buyers are going elsewhere because they cannot find them here.

And where are they going? RuntimeDNA? Perhaps content paradise? I think you're in denial about the marketplace. There are some that won't work with DS that's true, but it doesn't change the fact that the poser content market is contracting, otherwise you wouldn't post about there is an abundance of DS products, correct?

The reason is that the balance of products towards Daz is now so heavily in Daz's favour that it is becoming untenable that Renderosity can maintain a fair marketplace which suits all prospective buyers which it claims to do.

And where does that come from? The customers' purchasing power, and the things I've previously said.

In the face of aggressive maketing stratagy from Daz, and remember that includes vendor-creation tools which tie the creators exclusively to Daz, its a situation which is at best untenable and at worst unsustainable if it is to survive.

So when poser was the only program in town, they weren't a monopoly? Of course they were. But in a free market society there is competition and if you don't provide the tools to help your users succeed, the market will shift toward the solution customers demand.. not a monopoly at all and to be honest, it's not like Poser users weren't happily using DAZ products before. However, because the tech in poser doesn't have all the features as in DS the figure tech has pretty much stagnated as the most popular figure is over 10 years old.

Early days yet but as always, the longer a problem is ignored the worst it becomes. All thats being asked in this thread is that Renderosity address that inbalance and correct it.

How? Force vendors to make certain items? Tell customers they can't buy certain items? As I said you're taking your complaint to the wrong company and your request makes no sense. Customers drive the market and the vendors supply that need through Rendo the brokerage. If you want more poser items, it has to be profitable for vendors to make more content. That comes from customers getting excited to buy poser content.. which comes from Smith micro. They're the ones that have to provide the tools and tech to get everyone excited... not a brokerage.

No ones has suggested that one platform should take preference over the other either way otherwise the only outcome is the monopoly that Daz are clearly striving for.

Actually they have by complaining that they don't like the fact that there is more DS products these days, yet had no complaint when there was a shortage of DS items (or items that were actually tested in DS).

Renderosity sells product for both platforms, but until they make that clear and present both with equal unbiased favour there is and will remain a problem.

They are doing their part by selling what vendors provide to them to sell. They can't sell what they don't have. And vendors won't make items that won't pay their rent. I think you're missing how a marketplace works. Things just don't appear in a store just because you want them there.

Frankly I'd rather see Renderosity in business as a successful independent concern rather than see it lose money to the point of becoming absorbed by default by the Daz conglomerate!

And they are. But they're a brokerage that sells items provided by vendors. Once again vendors provide items that are in demand from customers....

Lemmings? I believe that to be an accurate simile. Running blindly on with the mob without a thought for the future for as long as the money is coming in is great for the short term, but what do you do when you suddenly realise that the only thing beneath you is air?

I think denial is more in line with your post as the DAZ marketplace had been making their money innovating and improving their product while not much has gone on in the Poser figure front and the main seller is a 10 year old figure made by the same some company many here trash. This is why the marketplace is selling what it is now, and RDNA closed and their owners are making DS items after SM left them high and dry with badly bending Pauline and her "merchant resource" status looking for someone to fix her to people could actually start making content. I would suggest you learn how brokerages work, because from your statements you would run yours based on emotion and quickly would be bankrupt and out of business.

Is it really worth the effort of replying, because you appear to be determined to miss the point of this thread? There is no complaint about vendors producing products for Daz, Poser or any other format you care to name! Apart from yourself no one has suggested that vendors should be forced to create product for a particular format. What has been suggested is that any reasonably competent vendor should have no difficulty creating for both formats, and many do, and thus widening their market and profits! The reason for this thread is that Renderosity appears to have become overbalanced in the direction of Daz without giving thought for those people who prefer Poser, and there are a lot of them out there despite your claim to the contrary. Witness the success of sites like Hivewire who manage to produce content which is mostly, in the main, available for both formats. Its also worth mentioning that that site now sells content from former RDNA vendors who were dumped by Daz (Bought out by Daz and not simply closed as you claim) because they preferred to stay with Poser (and one of the reasons given for the buyout was that Daz intended to redress the balance by expanding its Poser content!) and, of late, former Renderosity vendors who have become dissatisfied with the way their (Poser) output is being sidelined by this site. Renderosity' latest newsletter claimed that it is THE (their caps!) site for Poser content. A small start in the right direction but of little help when that content is buried almost beyond finding. Perhaps it may be worth your while going back and reading the whole of this thread, this time with an open, unbiased mind before presenting a reasoned response rather than shooting yourself in the other foot!