Kazam561 posted at 12:10AM Sat, 18 June 2016 - #4272844

So tired of seeing this type of argument. New figures are nice but D/S basically becomes a forced upgrade with major figure changes (about every 2.5 to 3 years) of breaking a figure up and selling it in major piecemeal. Base figure free. Oh you want morphs and textures? Two purchases. Extra facial features? Another purchase. Muscle morphs? Again. Body morphs and head morphs? Two more. Creature morphs? Again. That outfit you liked so much for the previous character? Maybe we'll upgrade it and sell it again at full price. Creature teeth? Again. Ethnic morphs? And to top it off an HD version? And suddenly you've spent more than the cost of poser on one figure. If you paid full price of the figure and it's parts you might have spent more than two copies of the newest version of Poser Pro. For one figure. Oh did we mention you have to buy a pack to get the rest of the anatomy? And don't forget hair.

And you're actually going to say this is worse for a new user to pay $170-500 for Poser (and its upgrades) and you STILL have to buy content? This is really a straw argument because no matter what software you buy, you're buying content irregardless. And you're paying the same prices. Sorry, but people need to let this argument go. And I'm sure the same people that used this argument has bought Anstasia, her her content, michelle and her content and morphs, antonia's morphs, dawn and her morphs, etc... and guess what? You've probably paid more that what you're trying to say DS users have and the clothes aren't easily compatible between the figures.

Sure there's more content for Genesis. Simply by the numbers of how the figure's broken up for sales. V7? The Girl 7? Aiko7? Morphs that at one time were much cheaper than they are now. Sure it's their business they can charge what they want... but remember all that content you purchased for D/S before it changed formats to .duf? And remember for awhile D/S wasn't free and some unlucky customers paid over $150 (or much more) only to have it go free months later? Happy? Sure! Take our money! I'd expect V8 to have hand morphs sold separately during it's release.

Let's see. The base morphs are basically are one price and you decide on which characters you want to buy. You're not forced to buy them all and the morphs work will all characters. As I said before, i'm sure poser users have bought other poser characters, their morphs,and content and paid the same price, so this argument is really a straw one.

D/S users argue it's all about the figure not the software. It's the major theme of the people who keep coming back to argue. It's up to them to keep that economic idea rolling. Poser users talk about their software mainly because they enjoy using the software. Sure they want nice content too but Smith Micro has never really been the content maker. If you recall it was Efrontier who made the G2's and Miki, and Terai Yuki, and others. Paul and Pauline aren't fantastic. Agreed. But really neither are V7 and M7. Both have their flaws (as discussed in the D/S forums on Daz's website as well as others).

And no figure is perfect yes, but M7 and V7 are supported because they are pretty good and Pauline and Paul (poor paul) have major flaws and the first products that came out for it were fixes because they were released broken as "merchant resources". That's a pretty big difference between the two.

Right now vendors are trying to test the wind. For now there is more Daz content and more vendors willing to make Daz content because they view buying Poser as a high expense versus buying 1 (or more) characters per 2.5 to 3 years and recreating new content for those.

What wind are they testing? Customers are asking for DS content and vendors are supplying that.

The core business is not the figure. If that were so Daz could sell (or give away) the worst and most buggy software and still succeed. We know this simply not true.

Their core business is content. That's why they can give away the software that makes the content and make money from the content produced. They can also use that money to fund their R&D to make new tech for their content. And that program is very good with the content development tools, figures and iray rendering. And the software had customers because it's actually good and NOT free, so people need to let that argument go as well.