Thanks Willdial and thanks also to Lululee, but still I am worried walking into a merry go round where I can't find the way out. I own poser pro 2012 and poser pro 2014. This is for poser 2014. Where Daz started with V3 and V4 it went very quick on to V5, V6, V7. Today I only can use V7 and some stuff I bought. I have problems to get on, because as soon as I make a move there will be a V8 (which was by the way a bomb)