yes pokey, in the pic where shes on the rug she looks damn scary - i would run from a woman with biceps and deltoids that big. skygirl - the last image that you posted is nice... but id attribute that to the pose, lighting and postwork and not to the model. if you had used vicky2 in that rendering i think it would have come out much nicer - dina's harelip or overbite or whatever that is really shows, and so does her beak nose, flabby cheeks and receeding chin. ok now im being a little too hard on the girl, lol. but im sorry, i STILL dont see anything attractive about her -- am i really that picky?