Thanks again Paul, Well, I went in to both first Poser & then into Bryce working on it & found of course I can do some on both end though of course they both have pluses & minuses when I am not fully set up , but I can see what you're talking about. THanks a lot for your help. I know Ill be buggin a lot of people w/ Qs... geeze just off the top of my head I can think of about 10 completely different things non related that are driving me nuts.. Tony