Thanks for all the suggestions. I just can't get it done! UGH! I realize it should be few simple clicks. I've had to use mostly daz products ( was able to install their stuff) as I was unable to install Miki4 from CP with the help from smith/micro people. I tried everything but just couldn't figure it out! I'm leery of trying Rendo. I just wanted some decent content stuff to work on a few projects to begin with.