i just discoverd a cool button on these threads. IGNORE USER button. CLICK! ah the wonders of technology ! too bad, "too soon old, too late smart". movin on! mouser and everyone else here sorry i knee jerked to the useless post of SamTherapy. yes he has been helpful here and elsewhere so i give him credit for that input. but i guess we are supposed to be tolerant when he drifts into irrelevant commentary but he is not as willing when reminded of it. hard to not get frustrated and angry to irrelevant rhetoric on these threads so i guess i too should take a chill pill. because iam also interested in finding more for my own use. if more old guy hair is found out there i hope it is posted here. thanks