ahem. i dont think dina is even in the same league as vicky1, and she only costs $19.99 and probably has more morphs than dina and this new character put together. you can grab hundreds of free items for her in the freestuff section right here, as well as characters, morphs, poses, etc. as for vicky2, you cant really compare her to dina either - even if you overlook the thousands of characters possible through her morphs, you STILL get 2 models for one price. vicky2 and vicky2p4. meaning that you can use vicky2's awesome head morphs AND posettes whopping wardrobe, which is totally unmatched. between the two of them, posette and vicky probably make up 99% of the market of freestuff and retail items. and THIS is what worries me. i bought natalia, and solondra. theyre both sitting on my harddrive because there are so few characters, morphs, items, clothing, etc for them. its wasted money. now dina has joined them. if you think im product bashing, youre dead wrong. my response to the whole dina deal has its roots back in the old post claiming that shes the most advanced, best model and highly superior to anything else out there. of course if you make claims that arent based on fact, and propagandize repeatedly, you are going to get both a positive and a negative response. now im sure im going to be branded as an evil product basher, but what my posts will do is this: 1. they will make people stop and think for a moment, examine what theyre buying, and decide if its really what they need or just a bunch of hype. 2. hopefully theyll also spurn the creators and morph makers not to abandon this product like other 'alternate' models in the past and actually SUPPORT it with items. this remains to be seen. ------- and as for your statement that vicky isnt supported by daz - lol. you can go to their site right now and shop for hundreds of products. sure, many are brokered - but they have facilitated and encouraged an environment for artists to distribute these things. same goes for the renderosity marketplace. and the freestuff area is overflowing with vicky and posette items. cheers, Gabriel