Dan, sigh Here we go... I got Victoria when she first came out, true, the market was different then than it is now. I expect that the market will continue to be impacted by many of the products that are released for Poser, whether it is DSI product or DAZ products or anyone elses. The market has changed to such a point now, where Poser commercialism is going to create "Price Wars" among those companies and individuals, and at the same time, continue to "raise the bar" on products that those companies release. Not to mention all of the various online stores that are out there, all competing to generate sales of those products to continue to draw sales into their stores and/or sites. We might as well add to that factor how this market will be changed by way of the developement of Poser itself in the next coming updates and releases... all of this leading to new and exciting product at an affordable price to the Community. DSI took that first step by releasing a character that contains a figure of their own that raises the bar (in our opinion) for those looking for more posibilities with character development. It was never our intention to make a Vickie vs Dina sales pitch. But DID feel that it was necessary to state the advantages of Dina over current marketable products such as Victoria. There are some individuals in the Community that would love to make it just that. Though my above statement may have certainly ticked you off, I only said what felt. Only an opinion, not a slam. Yes, you did create an update for Victoria which was to upgrade her, which at the time you most certainly felt there was a need to do, because there was a need. Yes, that was some much needed support. However, support in my opinion (and it is only my opinion) means more than fixing bugs and trouble spots. It means continuing to make product for that character. Yes, you created a clothing pack for her, yes, you created morphs for her to later be released as a version 2 product. You created some textures for her and a couple of hair styles... but, but, what I think allot of people who are talking about DSI's supporting of Dina extends much more than those brief products. Many of the tools utilized for Victoria today are products that the Community created in support of that character. For a while there, the plausability of Victoria's lifespan was in question because it took a long time for people to Posette away long enough to really give her a try. And in that stage, allot of that belief was facilitated by the fact that Zygote/DAZ was in production with Michael, so creation of extra product for Victoria was on standby, including allot of the morphs that were requested for her, which had mainly been answered already by Traveler and Jaager. Granted, you did do them and you released them as Victoria 2... however... Fact of the matter is this, Dan... 1.) I really am not looking for a fight with you. Nor for us to start a schoolyard fight with each other here in the forums. 2.) Your marketing strategy for future products are going to go up against Dina one day, I realize that and accept it. Advertising of products that are in competition with other products always has comparisons made about them, to prove viability of those products when presented to the consumer. I would expect no less to be said when you release Victoria 3 or another figure that contains a high poly count than the current version uses. 3.) Yes, there are some things that I think should be focused on when a company or individual releases a product. It should receive support through ALL stages of that model's lifespan. Granted, costs of creation and product should be weighed when it come to that, however, product for that release should be a consideration for the consumer's that do purchase that product. DSI has it lucky, currently they only have one product, Dina, to support. However, it should be always be a concern. 4.) For the record, currently, DSI plans to attack the current pricing structure that is currently being used. I suspect that you already know this and the sale of Victoria version 1 for $19.95 ($50 dollars off from when she was first released) is part of your reply to that threat. I hope that in the future that will also happen to the cost of Victoria 2, since the primary market of Poser users are Hobbists that live on meager paychecks and would love to be able to afford more products for their use. 5.) It was NOT my intent to piss you off. I stated my opinion, which I should've thought better of, but I really do believe that the success of Victoria is mainly from the support that she received from the Community that bought her and created other product for her. That isn't a slight against your company, there is only so much you can do. I just felt the Community deserved some credit for having a hand in her success when replying to Blackhearted's comments about the support of Victoria. 6.) There is NO NEED for you to defend DAZ. Not when it comes to me, or this Community. You should know that about me by now. Yes, I think there is room for improvement, but you have FAR LESS to prove to this Community than I do. 7.) (For the Community) Dina, like the early Victoria, takes some getting used to. It is measured by support in this Community, which also happens to creates some of support. Dina IS NOT Victoria, Victoria has her good qualities, just like Dina, and they both have their bad qualities. To weigh the both of them together, well it isn't really even the same ball game, granted, they may both be Poser Character Geometry, one may have some benefits over the other, but truth of it is, only you can decide which one you like... or both. Just because you have one does NOT mean that for it's continued exsistance it needs your undying loyalty... there really isn't a reason you can't love BOTH of them... sheesh... 8.) Sorry I pissed you off Dan. Really, I am. I'll try to keep my opinions to myself... I value your friendship more than Dina. You're real, she isn't. Jack