Blackhearted, I actually appreciate your comments about Dina. It only helps us know better what people are looking for. But by your reasoning, people should just stick to Posette. She comes free with Poser and there are even more free things available for her (and her various incarnations such as Eve) than there are for Vicki. But Vicki is an improvement over Posette for many reasons, and people soon discovered that. I don't expect Dina to replace Vicki any more than Vicki has replaced Posette. But I do hope people give Dina the same chance they gave Vicki, because without the community's support, Vicki wouldn't be where she is today either. It took people a while to warm up to Vicki for the very same reason people are hesitating about Dina (nothing they already had would work on her). People are always resistant to change. But Dina is, and will be, supported. She already has a clothing pack, a Valkyrie costume and changing corset/skirt pack that include the same body morphs she comes with, plus hotpants and a mermaid tail. A catsuit will be coming out shortly. Pam has a character ready to release for her and I will be releasing mine shortly. Give it time and I'm sure you will see more free stuff for her, too. BTW, NataliaV2 also has a P4 body that comes standard with her, so all those P4 clothes will work on her as well. If you didn't get the upgrade, write to dacort. He gave it out free to people who bought Natalia before the upgrade.