Thanks for the info...it will take me a while to digest it I'm afraid and try it all out. VortigensBane has provided me with a list of tutorials also over at Hivewire and expained where to find the pdf file so I will be checking all that out also. I'm tending to think most of my problem is user error because I don't really know what I'm doing but I will try out your suggestions as soon as I get chance. I start back at work tomorrow so it may take me a while to work my way through. VB also said that decimating stuff helps some times so I'm going to give that a try also and see if it helps. Thanks again for all the help...