heh griggs chill..lol ok fly, you are not an experienced Bryce user..as is obvious from your review. you have absolutely zero impression of it as a whole..and have not even seen the most comprehensive review of it since 5's birth. http://bryce-alive.net/bryce5review/ be ware of what ground you tread..the loyal are few..but... I'd avoided this string cause I knew it'd piss me the hell off...I finally came in cause I saw griggs wouldnt let it go. twas obvious there was a difference of opinion..and I personally respect his...so tis my objection now. never write a review about something you have no clue about. dont say..I have used it for weeks as a defense (?)..lol Bryce has a loyal following..it is the premiere in landscape programs. Unless Corel asses it up, it will remain so. To date, corel has improved its power (but not its speed). you should retract most of what you said about bryce..or at least get a clue about it. Bryce can make exterior better than most programs..and in the hand of a true brycist..it is nothing short of art..in its highest form. I give clay's simplest renderings as an example. BT