Actually my problem is getting a handle on C4D, once I do that I will probably never even use Hash. Basically I wouldn't advise anyone to buy Hash. The customer support isn't that great, they act like they're doing you a favor if they answer a question, and I was thrown out of the mailing list long ago for asking if there was a workaround for my problem with the program crashing. I was told in an email not to use that word and they would probably let me back in. Not very professional in my opinion. Marque