@kixum Yes I think I need toon pro. I did no particularly like the built in toon shader. I like the shader I created but really want to combine it with the edge lines. Toon Pro seems to be very good at that. I do like your render. I want to see how toon pro works with characters. Also I am working a shader that combines the toon effect with a texture map As I use hand drawn textures to create aging lines and embarassment lines etc.