speaking for myself: I used to be anti DAZ. Weird UI. All the nice things are somewhere hidden in DAZStudio. To much work, to unhide the tools. I was used to Poser, always loved the morph brush. To bad, that I never got to work nice hair simulations. Hairs keep poking through figures bodies. Worst of it all. Poser figures joint bendings allways used to look more or less aweful. Now, that DAZ introduced G3 figures and IRAY with its shader suport made it for me. Made me switch easiley. Bye, bye Poser. If Poser wants to survive, make sure figure-joints are bending naturley. The figures are a key feature. If figures look bad, Poser won't survive. --- Superfly is a step into the right direction, but allways have the SF shaders with Poser products. How many SF shader presets do we have in freestuff and market place here? Not many, right? bummer Poser might not die, but the situation is critical. Yup: "dime the boat."