JOE - I have never 'flamed' anyone here before. I've done more than my fair share of arguing, but I've never made any personal attacks. A flame is a personal attack. As for the Radiosity - you said it yourself, its a 'trick'. True radiosity is quite far away, and if you compare poser to Bryce (which has it) I'm not sure I'd want it. A render that takes 2 minutes in poser will take you 35+ hours in Bryce. I'll take my Poser renderer over tying up my computer and waiting for the results of the render for almost 2 days anytime :) And yes, privacy is whats important here. I'm not going to restate the reasons, theyve already been posted here and in an earlier thread on the same topic. I realise that the warez industry is becoming a growing plague on marketers, but infringing upon the rights of the buyer is not a solution. SAMS3D - thanks, i didnt think anyone cared :) Mazak - the asia textuure has quite a few faults, and I've been aware of them for some time, but I've never complained (like the dark wrinkles around the armpits that always have to be postworked, the yellowish tint, the hairy legs, the eyelids, the fact that when you load it in propack you have to go through the queries and load EVERY single bump map manually, etc). I thought, as a whole, the product was a worthwhile purchase. I've since reconsidered, its caused me more stress than all of the other products ive purchased combined. Asia is a good texture, but its definitely not the best, or the only texture out there. The issue of demanding credit in an artists image is sickening. Not only is it shamelessly asking for free advertising, but it also demeans the artist. The texture is a minor part of an image - definitely not irreplaceable. With MAT files, you can replace a texture in seconds, and there are plenty of more affordable photo-textures out there. A lot of work, and a lot of things go into making an image - pose and lighting being the most important. Whats next? People demanding credit for poses or light sets?