debbie m - since you brought it up, i can assure you that the texture is probably the least significant component in that image. the lighting and shadows wash most of it out, and there is a material color tint to it to make it darker and add some highlights. if i didnt have an hour of postwork invested in it i would simply swap it for catharina's sara map and be done with it. actually, i think im going to do that right now. i might not do all the postwork again, but at least it might get my mind off this crap for awhile.