Thanks everyone for the replies, I have no problems with people using daz or creating things for daz its just the fact that its not helping Poser or people like myself who mainly use poser, if they dont create the genesis things for V4 etc too, I had no idea that Poser had been "abandoned" by so many vendors :( good job I believe in Karma! I keep hearing Poser will make a mega comeback I really hope thats true as its so unfair to those of us who have invested lots of time & money into Poser to just sit back & watch all these things being sold & we cant use them