Texturing takes forever :grins: it's definately a knack, one I'd like to be better at, but I ussualy can get by.. if barely :Grins: But I don't even have the software to make objects, outside of the clumbsy stuff I may be able to do in bryce. Thanks again for the help though, and I'd definatly be interested in that banner whenever you feel your done. It's still useful.