oh.. there was no implication of illegality in my comment 8 ) just some work places are a bit stricter on what ye can have on the computers.... I can run graphics programmes and even do downloads from work as it's a vwery fast line.. but they frown on wnything that's resource heavy.. as I have to bounce from page to page whilst dealing with customers 8 ) and ye have to admit.. the Net admin is kinda like "god" in there 8 ) at least in their minds 8 ) pleasant dream lady 8) about the largest drawback to Poser on a networked machine is teh resource drain it places with it's memory leaks 8 heh heh.. I got Peri about the same time 8 )