I was a poser user for many years and then Daz Studio came along. I was not terribly impressed at first but then the various models started to appear. Daz is offering some amazing characters while Poser seems determined to live with M4 and V4 forever. If developers developed high quality characters for Poser I would probably stay with Poser and please don't suggest the two low quality characters that came with Poser 11. Both are a sad joke. Now Daz is coming out with an even more sophisticated Victoria 8 and soon a Michael 8. Am I expected to stay loyal to Poser when the best that is offered is M4 & V4??? I feel that if Smith Micro doesn't wake up and smell the coffee soon it will be too late.