putrdude posted at 10:35AM Wed, 21 June 2017 - #4307989

Mmmmm donutsss...no wait, about Poser.

I love Poser. I use whatever figures come with it, if they have decent apparel, which usually they don't. So which figures do? M4 and V4! So I use them.

Maybe Dawn is great and Dusk is swell too, but i don't have anything in my closet for them to wear. Also, if you do any animation and use animation files, changing figures can be catastrophic to your animation. The body parts are often named differently and soon you have a dancing pretzel.

I'm think I'm different from most of you hard core users in that I don't want to fiddle in the cloth room, or make a rigging or whatever. I just want to build the scene I see in my head as easily as I can and I don't mind spending the money to do so. Just bought more from Renderosity yesterday and my wish list keeps on growing for Poser vendors. Mostly it depends on the current project I'm working on.

I used to love Daz figures and props but when they changed, so did my opinion of them. I don't even see the sense in their business model. They want to sell items, not the program, but they don't make the items available to Poser users. Since I know they can (always did) I assume they think it's best to ignore Poser users hoping they'll switch. Okay, it's their business and I still buy the occasional item from Daz if it will work in Poser, but I'm not going to switch to DAZ and their program is free!

I also find the threads such as "is poser a dead program" to be self defeating. If you are using it, it's not dead. Seems a little "the sky is falling" to me.

Nothing is forever. I'm going to enjoy using Poser until I can't anymore. Probably buy every new version.

Of course I'm the village idiot, so take that with a large grain of salt.

And now for that donut.

I am in a fairly similar position to you in that I do not want to spend time rigging but I am spending more time in the cloth room as I now use Dawn and there are a lot of good dynamic clothes available at a very reasonable price.

I do buy from Daz when there is an item that will work in Poser but it is always props or scenes, never figures or clothes.

I understand you point regarding changes for, although I do not do animations, I was creating a story book with a V4 character and I wanted consistency. I finally moved to Dawn even though I had to rework my earlier V4 renders but you are right there are big differences. For example Dawn had a neck 1 and Neck 2 part as well as a abdomen 1 and 2, where V4 only had one. Joints on all of the toes was another change. I found expressions far easier so clearly the head is also different and it was these changes that finally convinced me to make the jump. So the changes can be a two edged sword, I stuck with V4 for a long time but if you want to progress you have to jump at some point, despite the financial cost and the time involved.

One problem is that Poser is in a difficult position for as vendors walk away there is not only less content to buy but, to some degree, it is harder to find so some people stop looking. When I started using Dawn there was little here for the figure, there still is and I have already purchased pretty well all I want from what is available here. As a result I started to visit the Market Place about once a month rather than once a day. Since the security breach I just don't visit the MP or at least I haven't since March and I don't expect that to end change any time soon. I am not alone so there are less buyers, both for Daz and Poser items but as I suspect that has had a bigger impact on Poser vendors than Daz due to there being fewer vendors. Less Vendors, Less products, less profits, less customers and so the cycle continues the spiral.

Finally , while I accept the Renderosity can not force vendors to make content for Poser I do not accept they do not have the ability to encourage more to be created if they so wanted. Mind you I may be biased as I have a similar view on their security.

 

 

I use Poser 13 on Windows 11 - For Scene set up I use a Geekcom A5 -  Ryzen 9 5900HX, with 64 gig ram and 3 TB  storage, mini PC with final rendering done on normal sized desktop using an AMD Ryzen Threadipper 1950X CPU, Corsair Hydro H100i CPU cooler, 3XS EVGA GTX 1080i SC with 11g Ram, 4 X 16gig Corsair DDR4 Ram and a Corsair RM 100 PSU .   The desktop is in a remote location with rendering done via Queue Manager which gives me a clearer desktop and quieter computer room.